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Michał Kubiak in match Jastrzębski Węgiel - Halkbank Ankara

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Only best moments from match Jastrzębski Węgiel and Halkbank Ankara by Polish player: Michał Kubiak. He had 33 balls and ended 24 of them (73% in attack). Kubiak scored 26 points (24 spikes, 1 ace and 1 block). From the other side the best scorer was Osmany Juantorena with 25 points (2 ace, 3 blocks and 57% on the net).
In a thriller and an amazing match in Jastrzębie Zdrój, home team won against Halkbank Ankara after five sets and a controversial mistake by referee - Andrey Zenovich from Russia. Jastrzębski Węgiel is on the first place with a record of five wins in six matches and 14 points, while Halkbank took the second place with 13 points. "We are very happy with this win and now we look forward to knowing who we will play in the Play-offs 1/12. At this stage you cannot expect to get any easy opponent", said Kubiak after this great performance. "We were the better side in each set and I am very proud of my players. I want to thank them all but Kubiak and Masny played an extraordinary match tonigh", on the press conference said Lorenzo Bernardi (coach of Jastrzębski Węgiel). Jastrzębski will face Tours VB in the first play-off stage in January. Final Four of the Champions League 2013/14 will be played on March 22-23th in Ankara. Halkbank has been qualified for the Final Four.

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Michał Kubiak

Michał Kubiak Poland

Birthdate: 1988-02-23
Position: Outside Hitter
Height: 192cm
Weight: 87kg
Spike: 347cm
Block: 320cm
Current club: Shanghai (China)
Temporarily disabled
volley123PL 3 1
10 years ago
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volley123PL 3 1
10 years ago
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HCLTBR 331 6
10 years ago
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@volley123: Dear colleague, I noticed that you wrote a novel, and I started to read it, but I stopped in the first line when I saw this sentence: “Wlazły is still world class player”. I realized I’d be wasting my time. Happy New Year!
hanes233EE 987 5
10 years ago
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@volley123: I agree with you completely, but I have one question, what do you mean by:Imagine now, what Halkbank would do if Djuric could be injured? Drama. Why is he so important for Halkbank, he isn't a real opposite, better than Subasi I think, but Halkbank needs a better opposite. Halkbank isn't very hard to play agains't becouse you know what they are going to do, right now thwy are so predictable, their attack depends almost completely on two players, Kaziyski and Juantorena, both attack from position 4, so it isn't rocket science for the opposite teams MBs to know where the set goes, espetially when the score is tight, Rapha is in a difficult situation, he dosn't have anywhere else to set, but his start of the season hasn't been very good, his sets are predictable and unaccurate compared to last seasons, well he had his finger injury, mabie he will improve once again. If Halkbank would face last seasons Trentino they would have NO chance, mabie if everyone have a bad day in Trento. @HCLT: Wlazly is still a world class opposite man, how can you deny that? There are only about 5 guys who are better than him, he is not as good as he use to, but he is still world class as far as I see. He is atleast the best opposite that Poland has right now.
MichalPL 493 10
10 years ago
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@volley123: What makes Wlazły a world class opposite? What volleyball arguments can back him up? Has he developped satisfying technique? Sure not every world class opposite has surgeon precision like Miljkovic or Pavlov who can lead blockers to deep depression, but still he hasn't developped his skills enough. You might come out with something common nowdays like BIG JUMP. Fine but with his height can it still be considered an advantage over top blockers? Does it really give any chance in more than a single match? You see even bringing it all to simple physical features (which is an absurd by the way) doesn't do the trick. Most of the opposites we consider world class combine really strong physical features with fair technique, the ratio for certain players differs of course. Wlazły isn't that dominant in the first as most people would think and clearly lacks too much of the second key component to consider him as a world class. Besides did he prove himself in a strong league? The fact he led Skra to chamiponship a couple of times in the polish league (which level was lower than it is now by the way) doesn't make him an international star. Did you pay attention to his highball efficiency? You couldn't miss that, if you did the fact it oscillates arround 0 isn't an explaination for you. These kind of situations are the salt of modern volleyball where 1 or 2 digs and further break points decide the score, one of the main factors making an opposite classy. Let the fact Antiga is the one who has to deal with this kind of situations in Skra speak for itself. PlusLiga is surely better than it was and look at him now, his physical abilities are decreasing with age and with skills he managed to develop he isn't that successful on local courts, he doesn't determine the score even there anymore. I don't know what other aspects you can point to make me change my opinion? I'm not trying to bring him down to amateur level, he is fine, for polish standards he used to be superb even, but it made people lose the global scale and go way too far with their remarks.
HCLTBR 331 6
10 years ago
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@Michal: Come on, Michal, can’t you see this is pointless? Just like Kurkofans, the ones who worship Wlazly will never see or admit he’s just an ordinary player. This volley123 guy probably thinks Wlazly is great because he’s a high jumper and hammers the ball. Typical... I saw Wlazly playing so many times, including live matches, there’s nothing about that player that justifies calling him world-class. I guess some of the kids here use this expression without knowing the meaning, it’s the only explanation for naming Wlazly or Kurek world-class. Wlazly smashes the opponents in PlusLiga, which is nothing but an average league, and his fans go nuts thinking he’ll solve all the problems others couldn’t on the NT. Please, notice this volley123 is a bit delusional. I decided to read his version of the Bible and couldn’t stop laughing. Here you have the best parts: “…dear pizza ANASTASI had his personality in his own italian ass”. Our boy is quite aggressive! “They (Serbs) are strong, small, ambitious nation, born with unusual talent for the sport”. We all thought determinism and fatalism were nothing but BS, then our friend volley123 decided to bring them back. The 21st Century says “hello” to him! “And who saying in world medias about volleyball or clubs?” Google Translate sucks! LOL “About Fonteles... Hm you're Brazilian so you fanatical fan about your players”. Spot on! I’m a huge fan of Fonteles, Vissotto, Marlon… I spend all my time praising Brazilian players. Yes, I’m fanatical. Says who? A Polaco that despite his team is a joke in the vball world he firmly believes they’re powerful. :-p “Hanes, good that you admitted I'm right it shows you're honest”. See… If you agree with him, you’re honest. hahahahahahaha “… it's the best example what playing in national team gives big popularity. Compare the Simon Robertlandy and Muserskiy”. This is fantastic! Our little Polaco friend inferred Wlazly gets rejected by some people because he’s been out of NT, and goes further daring to compare that ordinary opposite with nothing less than Robertlandy Simon, the Cuban showman. Can’t get any better.
MichalPL 493 10
10 years ago
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@HCLT: “…dear pizza ANASTASI had his personality in his own italian ass”. Good one, I must admit. At first I thought it was just me subconsciously seeing pizza in such a beautiful volleyball essay but I wasn't that hungry, it was really true! That reminds me of an episode called "The evil pizza" from a famous polish sitcom. A regular pizza mutated and came alive chasing people and speaking italian. Beware Henrique it might get both of us as we're not being loyal... I mean honest to the chef.
HCLTBR 331 6
10 years ago
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@Michal: At least our friend Hanes is safe. Run, Hanes, run! We gotta be careful when we deal with Wlazly fans, they can be more aggressive than kurkofans. Remember @Zyta saying a few days ago she didn’t wanna discuss about Wlazly? It’s because she used to be a big Wlazly fan. Here’s her reaction when she discovered Anastasi wasn’t going to call her fave opposite for the London Olympics. Please observe Zyta is very patriotic, she was wearing her “Polska bialo czerwoni” outfit just to check the NT roster. She got really mad!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Kw2i4NXV7s
ZytaPL 1332 11
10 years ago
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@HCLT: Oh Gosh... :D
handanTR 81 5
10 years ago
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Wow I can't believe what I'm reading. Kubiak most all-round player in the world? Lanza the great? :)
HCLTBR 331 6
10 years ago
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@handan: Where did you read Kubiak is “most all-round player in the world”? Or that Lanza is “the great”? I know we can’t expect much from a former-Trentino-freak-turned-Ankara-freak, but maybe you’ve seen something we haven’t. ;-)
handanTR 81 5
10 years ago
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@HCLT: I can't see any connection between Kubiak,Lanza and Halkbank maybe you've seen something I haven't Kubiak played a great game but it is the continuity what makes player a great one. It is too early to compare him with Murilo and others
HCLTBR 331 6
10 years ago
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@handan: I asked you two questions and none of them were answered. Never mind… Don’t you know the connection between Kubiak and Lanza? So easy, both are young left sides with great possibilities ahead of them. As for Halkbank Ankara, don’t get mad just because it’s obvious for us that team is your reason to live. lol About Kubiak and the other young left sides, I wrote the following: “Kubiak got what it takes to be one of the greatest, but we don’t know if he’ll show his talent consistently. Neither do we know if the aforementioned will keep or improve their game level”. Too complex for you? Nobody, maybe Hanes who’s only 14, compared Kubiak to Murilo. Considering our Estonian teen friend once pointed out Kaziyski as the best thing that ever happened to vball, you should be smart enough to know he’s keen on some exaggeration. Point is, you tried to criticize others, but added nothing to the discussion. Why don’t you try to stay on “Trentara” matters? That’s what freaks are for. ;-)
handanTR 81 5
10 years ago
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@HCLT: Lol I know very well who Kubiak and Lanza are. I 'm trying to find what is their connection with Halkbank in this subject. The answer is nothing , it is just a cheap shot from you .Of course I will support my cities team .What is wrong with that? Maybe you must understand that you're not the only one writing in this topic. Not every comment is an answer to you. I know it was Hanes who was the one calling Kubiak most all-around player.I just wrote it is too early to call. As I see you wrote the same thing. And Trentino? It is still pleasure to watch this young team. I'm rooting for them.
HCLTBR 331 6
10 years ago
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@handan: “I know very well who Kubiak and Lanza are”. Excellent! Apparently you didn’t know a few hours ago. I hope we have helped you. lol “I 'm trying to find what is their connection with Halkbank in this subject”. Oh, poor Trentara freak… Sweetcheeks, we’re using this thread to build a discussion on something else that started as we talked about Kubiak (dunno if you noticed, but the video is about him), and as you probably know discussions are pretty rare around here, where most of the so-called fans are able to write only one or two short sentences to praise a video or to show how excited they are about a strong hit. “Maybe you must understand that you're not the only one writing in this topic. Not every comment is an answer to you”. Really? Hahaha... I thought... Well, if you look to the other comments in this thread you’ll see I’m involved in a single discussion with other four or five people. I gave you a “hello” because you decided to be cynical and criticized us without adding anything. Have a nice day!
handanTR 81 5
10 years ago
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@HCLT: You are the one bringing Halkbank to take cheap shots. I commented on Kubiak and you answered how desperate Halkbank is. I'm not asking you why you're talking about Kubiak or Lanza. I'm just questioning your irrelevant Halkbank answer. You can't decide what people should write or answer. Stop acting like everything you're saying is right. Because it's not.
hanes233EE 987 5
10 years ago
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@HCLT: Hey don't you think you are exaggerating a little bit about me... 1. Im 17 2. I wrote that shit 2 years ago so it dosn't mean that I still think so, and I wrote "in my opinion" 3. I didn't compare Murilo and Kubiak, I just made some references that they have some simularitys So the true part of your comment remains quite small, Yes, I agree, I exaggerated about Kubiak.
HCLTBR 331 6
10 years ago
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@handan: “...bringing Halkbank to take cheap shots”, “…you answered how desperate Halkbank is”, “I'm just questioning your irrelevant Halkbank answer”. Hahaha… Now we know the reason for your aggressiveness. You’re a freak that forgot to take your pills! Handan, please, I NEVER said anything bad about Halkbank. Read again (and again, and again…). Long life and success to Turkish vball! Naz Aydemir for president! YOU NEED TO IMPROVE YOUR READING SKILLS ASAP. I only said you are “a former-Trentino-freak-turned-Ankara-freak”. That’s all. You started everything with anger and got lost. I’m very sorry for you. Once my parents told me to avoid discussing with lunatics, I’ll leave you alone, wishing you a happy 2014 and a prompt recovery. Oh, one more thing: Halkbank is the best!
handanTR 81 5
10 years ago
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@HCLT: I'm not going to continue this conversation because you're trying to manipulate everything I wrote.
bitkaPL 673 10
10 years ago
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Kubiak was unbelieveable! He ended almost every ball - it didn't matter if it was from great or uncomfortable set. i'm happy that he's getting back to his shape, he's becoming a truly leader of Jastrzębski (not only in this game)
handanTR 81 5
10 years ago
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It was Kaziyski's best game in Halkbank. Halkbank's problem was block and Raphael. Raphael isn't playing 50%of his usual performance. Every opponent OH is hitting freely against his block plus his passes are strangely inaccurate. He barely uses MBs :( Stoychev is so stubborn not to use the other setter Hüseyin. I can't say Hüseyin is a great setter but he is good and the team is playing much better with him. I don't know much about Mauricio but what I see he is usually out of position in the block. In the last two matches Zhekov and J.Weigel's setter took him out of the game with their setting. Kubiak was amazing but in the last match against Halkbank Perrin (Arkas) scored exactly same statistics. Against Halkbank every OH becomes a hero :( Even in this short video ,Halkbank block made mistake after mistake.
raylightBG 3006 15
10 years ago
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Kaziyski was as good as Juantorena in that match /who won the third set??
raylightBG 3006 15
10 years ago
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@Koxiu: exactly :)
raylightBG 3006 15
10 years ago
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Where can I get the match? I wanted to make highlights of it
zverPL 995 13
10 years ago
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@raylight: i wanted also make video from this match, but i couldn't find it :|
raylightBG 3006 15
10 years ago
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@Posteiro: can you tell me some free software to download it?
PosteiroPT 35 2
10 years ago
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@raylight: Sorry raylight, I don't know :s
RoninhoPL 758 13
10 years ago
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Thank you for this video. I love to look at the game of Kubiak.
HCLTBR 331 6
10 years ago
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@Roninho: Kubiak is an all-around player, it’s great to watch him play and it’s good to know he’s getting back in shape after a bland season with the NT. Hopefully he’ll shine at the 2014 worlds. Considering Antiga game style, I’m sure he’ll appreciate having a player like Kubiak, a very solid and smart one.
raylightBG 3006 15
10 years ago
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@HCLT: Kubiak, Kurek, Bociek, Nowakowski,Mozdzonek sounds like a plan. I can't say who was to be libero or setter, but I see a lot of spiking potential here.
HCLTBR 331 6
10 years ago
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@raylight: A good spiking potential indeed, Rayray. However, as we know, the attack itself was never the only solution. Just as an example, back in the 1980s, both Brazil and USSR had higher efficiency in attack than Team USA in the 1985-1988 cycle, but the Americans compensated that with block and defense. They won everything. Who’s gonna be the Polaco setter? If anyone is thinking about Zygadlo, forget any chance to reach the finals, no matter how hard the fans will be pushing the team. Zygadlo is certainly a case study or maybe the coaches who let that limited setter be a starter. I remember analyzing the game Poland vs. Australia with Zyta, and it was clear Zygadlo ruined everything, with three or four mistakes per set (please, watch the sixth Aussie point in first set and you’ll see what Zygadlo is capable of). Blame it on him, or perhaps Anastasi for not letting Zagumny play a little more. I hope Antiga gives Drzyzga more court time, though we’re so close to the worlds. I bet five drzyzgas that Fabian Drzyzga will do much better than useless Zygadlo. Libero? I’d go with Zatorski. I saw him training a few times and I can say he’s one of the most dedicated players I ever saw. Not only dedicated, but efficient too, with an impressive court vision. Maybe Igla still can deliver. Anyway, the coach will probably have the chance to take two liberos. This position is not a problem for Poland. Bociek on the right side? How solid is he? Just because he spikes hard and scored many points against Bulgaria it doesn’t make him top-notch. Remember, he’s unknown in the international level, but once the teams get used to him, things will change. Think about what happened to Mikhaylov since 2008 – and the Russian opposite is way better than Bociek. Maybe he’s the only option as Jarosz was never reliable, and Bartman… Poor Bartman, Modena is thinking about getting rid of him. Enough said. The Polacos have to find someone for this position urgently. Look around and you’ll see that all the main opponents have a good/excellent opposite. Let’s give some credit to Bociek, but so far he’s no Grozer, Sokolov or Atanablablabla, just to mention some household names. Poland needs a killer. I’m sure the Polacos have someone to replace Mozdzonek. He was always shadowed by Nowakowski and I don’t believe he’s one of the two best MBs in Poland. Maybe he could be a backup player due to his experience, but definitely not be floored among the starting six. I still remember the first time I saw Mozdzonek playing live, he could barely walk. Where’s that promising Mika or something (sorry, forgot his name)? Kurek… I refuse to comment about him, at least today. Kubiak, if given enough space, could be more important than he is on the NT. He’s my fave Polaco player and I hope to see him rising up during this cycle. It’s important to mention Ruciak. No, I don’t think he could be a left side at international level, but he’s relevant as a serve specialist. His serves between positions 5 and 6 are excellent. Since Poland doesn’t have too many options among the backup players, I’d take him. Antiga has a huge pressure on his shoulders, but perhaps he’ll lead his players to a good tournament.
ZytaPL 1332 11
10 years ago
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@HCLT: Mika is playing on left-side, he's not middle. In the middle we have Nowakowski, Mozdzonek, Kosok, Wrona and Klos if we go for younger generation. No chance for Kadziewicz I believe. Bociek is a hammer, but it will take him a long time to be someone like Grozer, who still struggle to keep high level all the time. German NT has the same problem as well - to many ups and downs, but I don't mean they suck when he doesn't play well. They have players to lead the team when Grozer can't but they struggle to keep high level few matches in a row, remember ECH? BTW Kubiak could be like Kaliberda for Germany, if they let our Polaco play more. Even Alekno said that Denis is a key player for NT, not Grozer. Coming back to Bociek he is same age with Sokolov if I'm not mistaken, look where both are. Bociek can be future of the team, but not the killer we need, it's too late to base on him our strength if we would think about podium. If we won't think about it, I'll give him a credit. While Zibi needs to figure his situation out himself, because now there's no coach who will support him no matter what like AA was always saying (and yet he took Bociek for ECH). 2014 will show if both AA and Zibi were right about moving him to the right side. Kurek... the day he will deliver in the most important moment of the most stressful match I'll admit I was wrong. Apart from lack of technique his head is the biggest problem. And please, anyone, don't mention some series of serves against Bulgaria (which even desperate AA mentioned couple of time in his defense) during World League when this match meant nothing because we lost our chance to be in F6, because that moment all he played for what a bit of pride.
HCLTBR 331 6
10 years ago
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@Zyta: I completely forgot the name of that young quiet guy who played middle in 2012 WL. Who’s he? It’s him I had on my mind when I wrote Mika or something in my previous post. You know my opinion on Grozer, not a big fan of him, but there’s no doubt he’s ahead of Bociek. The German opposite may not have the talent of Sokolov or Atanasijevic, but he has reached a level that we can’t ignore. As for Bociek, he still has a lot to prove. “Kurek... the day he will deliver in the most important moment of the most stressful match I'll admit I was wrong”. Evil Zyta! LOL Kubiak should have the same status Kaliberda has in Germany or Skrimov in Bulgaria. No one can deny the Polaco is very talented, no less than the other two, but he hasn’t been given too many opportunities, Anastasi overlooked him (and overhyped Bartman as an opposite). In the near future Kubiak could take the same role Murilo and Priddy have on their squads, though he has to do a little more to be compared to those veterans, who are also leaders.
ZytaPL 1332 11
10 years ago
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@HCLT: Wisniewski! Or just Wisnia. I think AA simply focused on Winiarski, who could be our Priddy or Murilo if not for his constant problem with back and previous arm injury. Winiarski was in better shape for a long time but in 2013 no one was anyway. Kubiak had his chances in ECH 2011 but once Winiar came back he was moved into the shadow. As for Antiga I don't know who he will count on. He knows Winiarski, they played together but he must know about his health a lot. And Winiarski is not playing now in Russia as well, got injured, maybe nothing serious but we'll see how long he will stay out of play.
MichalPL 493 10
10 years ago
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@raylight: That can make sense only in Poland- a country full of super talented players limited by inefficient evil coaches that don't let them rule the volleyball galaxy. In the real world your argument is very illusory. Four out of five players you mentioned have at least one major flaw that doesn't let your argument about spiking potential become rational. One out of five players you mentioned should change his name to Flaw.
bitkaPL 673 10
10 years ago
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@Zyta: @HCLT: yup, you're right about polish opposites. Although, I'm suprised that you didn't mention Konarski. He was great last season in Bydgoszcz and now he's doing well in Resovia. He plays more than Schops, eventhough coach rotates squad a lot. There's also another way - choose an easy path and take Wlazly. I'm curious what do you think about that about Kubiak and Winiarski - I agree in 100% with Zyta. Kubiak had his chances only when Winiarski had health problems, except that, it was Winiarski who was always put on 1 place. But since he's not playing in Russia right now and Kubiak is a truly leader in JW, maybe Kubiak will have his chances. i'm hoping for that
ZytaPL 1332 11
10 years ago
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@bitka: I just don't see Konarski as a killer. He can be good and reach some decent level as for international volleyball, but don't see him as our new master of disaster. I'm not going to comment on Wlazly at all. And no, it's not because I don't like him or so. I do like him as a player very much. @Michal: you made my day.
raylightBG 3006 15
10 years ago
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@Michal: What do you mean by argument? I pointed the spiking potential, I didn't make any conclusions based on that
HCLTBR 331 6
10 years ago
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I really like when we go beyond the “great video” type of remarks. This discussion is very interesting. @Michal: “One out of five players you mentioned should change his name to Flaw”. Are you talking about Barto Cureque? It’s cool when someone else bashes him, such an overrated player. However, how can you say all those guys Rayray mentioned have no “spiking potential”? If it’s potential you’re looking for, no doubt they have plenty of it. Maybe Rayray exaggerates a little bit because he likes to please the Polaco audience. Kinda funny! The problem is focusing on spiking and forgetting the rest. @Bitka: @Zyta: Why Wlazly? What has he done to deserve such consideration? Honestly, against the strongest teams he was never a solution, not really effective. Maybe Antiga has some plans for him. Now talking about the left side, I agree that Anastasi always preferred Winiarski over Kubiak, that’s why I said the latter was overlooked. Winiarski best days ended four years ago, and if I were the coach I’d be concerned about the future. Kubiak could be an important receiver. Most of all, Antiga has to work on his players’ mental toughness. Lloy Ball and Bernardinho, among others, have already said that Team Poland’s main problem is dealing with pressure. Hopefully Antiga will address that issue. Raul Lozano was doing a good work, but that weird PZPS decided to let him go and hired Daniel Castellani, maybe the worst move of the last decade in the world of vball. I guess we all remember what happened after that. I noticed the Polaco fans are always worried about the hitters, but I don’t remember seeing anyone concerned about the setter. Believe me, if Antiga manages to solve this puzzle and find a proper setter for Poland, the team will be halfway there. When Poland finally became more structured and got close to the powerhouses, Zagumny was too old, which compromised the results, as the coaches started giving more space to Zygadlo. Pawel Zagumny is really talented, but you can’t say the same about the hideous Zygadlo. I see some potential on Drzyzga, but he lacks experience. Will he be ready for the 2014 worlds? Maybe not. Perhaps Monsieur Antiga plans to build a team having his eyes on Rio 2016, but then we wonder if PZPS will admit any fail by the coach in a tournament held in Poland – God knows what the PZPS guys consider fail or success. Tough situation for Antiga… I wish him luck.
ZytaPL 1332 11
10 years ago
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@HCLT: Don't tell me about Wlazly. I said I won't comment on "Wlazly vs. NT" case because you know my opinion anyway. Only thing I can say is that I think people like bitka keep thinking about Wlazly because he does his job in Skra for years. Bitka would take easy path but that won't sort our problem of no young killer-to-be for the next cycles anyway because no matter how Wlazly would be willing to come back and play and how good he could be, he is over 30 now and he won't last in NT for long, especially as a spiker who's not having Miljkovic's health.


And I think Michal meant Mozdzonek. I don't think Michal meant they don't have potential, but they have their flaws so they shouldn't be overrated too soon.

I guess it would be easier to stand mediocre setter if we had at least decent spiker. Kurek has his flaws and can't deliver in most important matches. Winiarski's health is gone with the wind and we don't have a proper opposite. Having a setter who maybe is not the craziest but at least his sets are accurate and with at least one spiker who will always deliver would be some base to start with.

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and hired Daniel Castellani, maybe the worst move of the last decade in the world of vball. I guess we all remember what happened after that.

Thin ice my friend, thin ice! Be careful because some polish fan will come and say: "Don't you remember ECH 2009?!" So you better prepare yourself to answer for that one ?
MichalPL 493 10
10 years ago
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@HCLT: I don't get how anyone can point Możdżonek as a player with spiking potential, that's a pure contradiction, please, the fans should get crazy everytime he manages not to miss... the ball. As for the rest- yes, they do have potential, but potential means nothing if it's permanently hidden. Nowakowski has potential, but he needs to work on his ball control, it's really noticeable when he isn't in his top physical shape, without his maximum leap he gets rebounded easily over and over again, he should watch some classy spikers and see how to use his wrist to put angles instead of desperate over-block hitting manner. Kurek who obviously drives me insane also has potential, he even knows how to release it, almost brilliant! If only he knew how not to lose it when it's really needed... (his ridicolous face expressions don't make things any better). Kubiak was my hope to be someone so important for our NT like the all-arround players you mentioned, smooth in every element, but from my point of view his quality decreased since he came back to Plusliga from Padva. He was more consistent back then.
hanes233EE 987 5
10 years ago
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@HCLT: Yeah, the biggest problem for Poland is the setter, Zygadlo can't be compared to the other setters of top teams, in my opinion Drzyzga would do better, I wish he had more experiance, than he would be more reliable. I would defenetly use Zatorski as the libero, I have seen him play and he has been very impressive and he is getting even better fast, he developed alot in season 2012/2013 and he is only going to get better, Igla is getting old and I see that he is not that good any more compared to Zatorski. Mozdonek isn't the MB that I would use in the starting six, I would use him for his serve and to make the block stronger when the setter is in the front row, Nowakowski is great, no bad words for him. In my opinion Wlazly would be by far the best opposite that you have, atleast was, until the federation fucked everything up. I really don't get it why did SKRA use him as a wing-spiker... Atanasjevic is great, but why did they have 2 opposites this good. Bartman is out of option, Bociek can be unrealiable against top teams but who knows, mabie he has a good mentality, Jarosz is also okay, but not that killer opposite. Kubiak is an absolutely amazing player, he is one of the most complete player now in the world I think. He is also very stable in my opinion, he has a great serve, his reception is one of the best in the world if you don't consider liberos, he can do some real damage in attack as this video shows :D, he is great in defence and last - he dosn't crash under preasure like the other polaco wing-spiker ;) Kurek is getting better, I think, he still can't deal with preasure well enough, but on the attack he is a hell of a player, he has no trouble scoring over 20 points in a match, but he just fails sometimes, he is not a great server (he has a good serve, but he makes way too many errors). His receiving is quite unstable, but he is also better than he was before, so Poland has a decent roster for the upcoming competitions.
HCLTBR 331 6
10 years ago
+3
@Zyta: @Michal: Nah... Can’t believe you guys weren’t mocking Barto Cureque. What’s so funny about bashing Mozdzonek? Seriously, you guys shoulda seen Rodrigão when he started or when he was called for the NT for the first time. Many people thought he was a lost cause, but eventually he became one of the best MBs in the world. Certainly is a bit too late for Mozdzonek, but diminishing him to almost nothing is such an exaggeration. Like I said before in this thread, he could be a backup option. Please, remember, he was able to score even when he was playing with Zygadlo. Bottom line, Mozdzonek may never be recognized as a talented player (and he was never), but he was useful at some point. Now back to Cureque, tell me, please, what makes so many fans believe he’s got something special? That guy is only strength without any intelligence. Imagine a race car without brakes… That’s Cureque. If you put some pressure, he’ll choke. Again, I think our Bulgarian friend was just trying to be nice to the Polacos.

Michal, what did you expect from Nowakowski? To become Gustavo Endres or Stephan Hübner? If so, forget about it. He probably isn’t going through one of the best moments of his career, but a good coach might help him get back on track. Regarding Kubiak, I don’t think PlusLiga is a top level league, so maybe he should try to move somewhere else.

Zyta, seriously? There are still some people that give credit to Castellani for the 2009 ECh? Do they remember which teams Poland faced on their way to the title? They remember later that year Poland played in the World Grand Champions Cup and lost to Japan, returning home without a medal? Remember failing both at 2009 and 2010 WL? What about the 2010 worlds, when Team Poland finished 13th (tied with Cameroon)? Castellani is a farce. The Finns got rid of him very quickly. Good for them.
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Kubiak is an absolutely amazing player, he is the most complete player now in the world I think because Murilo had his shoulder injury.

@hanes233: Come on… There are a lot of talented players at same age of Kubiak or younger, from Lucarelli to Spiridonov, without forgetting Lanza, who used to be a sub on his club and lately proved to be a world-class player. Think about N’gapeth or Ghaemi. Michal Kubiak is one of them, he has talent, and perhaps he needs a few more opportunities. I see too many new faces arriving to main stage with talent and confidence. Take a look at Sam Deroo. If he improves his passing skills, how far he would go? Kubiak got what it takes to be one of the greatest, but we don’t know if he’ll show his talent consistently. Neither do we know if the aforementioned will keep or improve their game level. When Jochen Schöps appeared in 2006-2007 the whole vball world thought he’d become a major star. Look at him now. He’s okay, nothing else.
RoninhoPL 758 13
10 years ago
+3
@HCLT: Polish needs a very good stiker. On setter is Drzyzga. He has great potential, Zygadło got a lot of chances and rarely used them. I would like to Drzyzga received so many chances. HCLT - I bet 10 drzyzgas that Fabian will be better than Zygadlo. Zygadlo on the bench and nothing more. On the reception is Kurek, Winiarski, Kubiak and Ruciak. This is a strong foursome. Kurek is developing in Italy. I'm not a fan of his game but I can see clear progress. I'd like a basic pair was Kubiak and Winiarski but Poland has a weak attacker. Too much risk. On the libero position does not have any problems. Zatorski is a first choice and Ignaczak in the circuit. Middleblockers... I beg you, don't exchange Mozdzonek! He moves like a wood and his attacks power is less than in the female volleyball. Nowakowski, Wrona, Klos and Wisniewski. They should fight for a place in the lineup. I see in the Polish NT only 3 attackers. Bociek, Wlazły and possibly Konarski. Bociek has great potential. He playing regularly the second season at a high level. This is a short time and he has a lot to learn but he can be a very good attackers. The second option is Wlazły. I did not think that he will still be needed but unfortunately the reality is different. Konarski as a last resort, as third option.
hanes233EE 987 5
10 years ago
+2
@HCLT: I know there are some really talented player his age, but I see thet Kubiak is a little better then them, mabie thats becouse I like him the most, but thats the way I see it. I forgot about N’gapeth, in my opinion he is about as good as Kubiak. As for Spiridonov, I don't like him one bit, just becouse he is an asshole and has no sportsman attitude. Lanza is great, also very complete, I like him, he is the future of Italian volleyball, I also really like Parodi, but after his injury he hasn't been the same, his reception and defence are still outstanding, he also has a solid serve and block. He would have defenetly been one of the best players in the world in my opinion. I haven't seen Lucarelli play alot, so I can't comment on that, but he seems to be a solid player. And HCLT, you can't argue that Murilo was THE most complete player in the world before his shoulder trouble.
MichalPL 493 10
10 years ago
+3
@HCLT: It's something different Henrique, you have to keep the graduation. What's mediocre for the Brazilian NT could turn out to be beneficial for the Polish NT just take a look at Vissotto, I know how people look at him in Brazil while in Poland he would automatically turn out to be our salvation between the opposites we have. Besides Rodrigao case is something different, he was considered wooden but once again you have to keep the scale. Możdżonek has coordination problems that can't be solved anymore, someone should think about it when he was a kid. Rodrigao sure had his problems but everyone could see it was possible for him to exceed his arrearage with reading the game or to become an excellent spiker for example. Sure even Możdżonek has some positive things to offer. He has decent block technique, good penetration over the net, but due to his slowness and problems with feeling the game he can be productive as a starter against teams playing predictable volleyball which are minority nowdays. He can be a sub for the setter in front line as hannes mentioned, fine, but nothing more. About Nowakowski- no I didn't expect to see such quality but still I can expect from a professional volleyball player to own some spiking basics, to react and change something during a match. You wanna know what makes fans believe Kurek has something special? A good TV propaganda by his biggest fan (some say lover), our main national journalist (conductor) T.Swędrowski along with some other "experts" (choir) singing psalms about the mighty terminator of polish volleyball combined with some 3rd meter spikes. That does the trick for a fan that simply turns the TV on to watch something every Sunday. You know a lie repeated a hundred of times becomes the truth. @Hannes N'gapeth is a better player, he among Spiridonov and others made a quality step which Kubiak seemed to make abroad, then he came back to Plusliga what didn't have good influence on his performance. I know high frequency of games and so on affects on players performance as well as opponents adaptation to their style, but his individual elements like jump serve consistency decreased so it's not an explaination. People (Polsat) say Kubiak is playing his best season so far in his career what is not true and based on this single match against Ankara, please watch his previous games.
ZytaPL 1332 11
10 years ago
+3
@HCLT:
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Zyta, seriously? There are still some people that give credit to Castellani for the 2009 ECh?

So far no sign of them, maybe they opened their eyes finally.

No one said Mozdzonek shouldn't be in NT at all, but certainly not as a starter.

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Now back to Cureque, tell me, please, what makes so many fans believe he’s got something special?

3rd meter spikes, you silly!

But seriously I think it's just the case that happen in every country where some sport becomes more popular and certain team/player suddenly become successful. It's a bit like with UK and Andy Murray. Guy has really good level, won few tournaments, lately won Olympics, US Open and finally after 70 years of waiting this British ginger boy won Wimbledon. He's the man of the year and basically his fans want to expand unofficial TOP3 (Roger, Nadal and Djokovic) to TOP4 because Murray should be counted as as good as them. But is he? Compare his results to maybe not Roger who is much older but Nadal who is slightly same age?
So we've had Winiarski and Swiderski, but like I said their health were gone with the wind and suddenly here he comes, young hammer on the left side, hitting over the block and smashing ball into 3rd meter line. Everybody thought okay he has some time to improve his technique, but finally someone who has potential to be one of the best. You asked about Castellani, ECH 2009 is one of the secrets of Kurek's popularity, he was brilliant there until the final when he choked, but we could forgive him as this was his first major event and we've won anyway. And then whole boom around volleyball made him an idol among teenagers before they realized he doesn't improve his technique that much and during any major match we have a ghost rider on the court, not a player we expected to have 4 years after ECH09. Now I guess most of them is just blind, I mean those who won't let you say a bad word about him. We can still hope he will improve, he's still 25 and maybe Italy will help him more than Russia.
HCLTBR 331 6
10 years ago
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@Roninho: Do you want Zygadlo as a backup? I wouldn’t take him not even as the third setter, I’d pay to keep him away. On the day Zygadlo decides to retire, he’ll be doing a big favour to vball, and I bet 20 drzyzgas that fans will celebrate.

@hanes233: I think the fact you’re a big Kubiak fan is leading you to a bad judgment. I still remember you once wrote Kaziyski was “the best player that ever walked into a vball court” (rofl). Avoid exaggeration. Same way you don’t like Spirik and that makes you try to diminish his undeniable talent. The only problem I still see on Spiridonov’s game is that he sometimes drags his team down with his behaviour.

@Michal: I said “certainly is a bit too late for Mozdzonek”. That’s it. With proper orientation maybe he coulda been a better MB, but based on you guys’ remarks I believe Poland lacks good coaches, otherwise you wouldn’t be trying foreign options one after another. This is weird, considering how popular vball is among Polacos, you should have lots of good coaches. Thanks for the explanation about Kurek’s surroundings, that’s hilarious.

@Zyta: Third meter spikes forever! lol
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We can still hope he (Kurek) will improve, he's still 25 and maybe Italy will help him more than Russia.

Remember Lloy Ball’s words: “It’s in Italy that you really learn how to play with the big boys”.
MichalPL 493 10
10 years ago
+3
@HCLT: You mentioned our biggest problem, that's where everything starts. We don't have good coaches to build the base of the pyramid- youth coaching, then league coaches to continue the process during players senior age. Take some unqualified shamans for coaching players in the beginning of their volleyball path then it's like a chain reaction. Lozano or Anastasi are great coaches but NT is the top of the pyramid. I believe they achieved what they could or even more considering human potential they could use while coaching our NT. As you said volleyball is popular in Poland but people steering it don't really seem to think about building a real volleyball fortress like in Brazil but how to milk the cow called polish volleyball till it's popular and gives money. Back to polish coaches it's not a secret they are lazy, they hardly go abroad for schooling. Have you heard about the situation when during a tournament (Wagner's Memorial as far as I remember) Hugh McCutcheon organized a schooling for polish coaches, guess what? None of them even appeared there. With that policy from PZPS and coaches mentality volleyball can disappear as quick as it appeared here.
MichalPL 493 10
10 years ago
+3
@HCLT: It's simply easier and more convenient for some people to disseminate propaganda making people believe we really have plenty of world class players, but unfortunatelly NT coaches turn out to be amateurs that can't use that, than to build a real foundation with complex coaching in every age category, which could help us produce real world class players maybe. I'm tired of hearing over and over again from our experts that Poland has a problem of richness when it comes to middle blocker position. Funny enough? Don't make me use more of those golden quotes.
ZytaPL 1332 11
10 years ago
+3
@Michal: The only coach that actually goes for schooling is Kowal who went to USA to get some lectures at the Universities. I remember the case with McCutcheon, some coaches from lower league tried to defend themselves later saying they did't know he's coming because PZPS didn't tell them. I remember that media were taking about him coming few weeks before.
MichalPL 493 10
10 years ago
+3
@Zyta: Thanks for reminding that fact I forgot to mention, I don't want to put everyone into the same category. Kowal seems to be the one trying to break the habit, but I believe there are at least a few other coaches that also try to.
HCLTBR 331 6
10 years ago
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@Michal: @Zyta: You know when Russia, Italy, Brazil or USA will stop having strong teams? Probably not in the next four or five decades. It’s absurd saying never, though I was really tempted to say that. Russia has the highest number of registered vball athletes in the world, which means somewhere in that huge country new Maxims, Tetiukas, Spiriks, Dollfaces, Butkochkas and Mumus are being prepared. Italy, despite the high number of foreigners and a slight decrease due to financial crisis (just temporary), created a structure that allows them to have at least good squads. Here in Brazil our federation created the Vball University (lots of coaches all over the country distributed in several categories) and invest massively in the youth. In USA they probably have the most interesting structure, the NCAA (National Collegiate Athletic Association), which involves more than 30 sports. It makes me laugh when people seem surprised for the Americans having strong teams despite not having a pro vball league. If anyone analyzes the NCAA, they’d know why USA is so successful in sports. We also have Serbia. It bugs me how such a small country, with only 7 million people, always assembles competitive teams. I haven’t read about their vball environment, but they have always intrigued me. Look how they’ve been performing since the nineties, how many medals they got and you’ll see they’re very successful. Atanablablabla and his teammates aren’t result of lucky, but planning. That episode with McCutcheon is sad, I can only imagine his reaction. As for the fictional scenario, I must say the guys who created this factoid in Polaco vball did a good job. I’m sure you both remember the 2012 season. It was so clear to me Poland had no chance to get a medal in London, but reading the opinions here and looking at your players face we’d believe they were destined to be champions. It was hilarious how some players got fooled – Anastasi himself apparently didn’t have a clue on what was coming. Please… Specialists such as Heynen, Hoag, Alekno and Murilo had put their thoughts about Team Poland before the Olympics, but some people seem blind. Bulgaria, with all their problems before the Olympic Games and with an assistant made coach in the last minute, had more chances. Michal, it’s really sad making vball a cash cow. If we consider how popular vball is in Poland you should have not only 12 top players, but perhaps double, but now I see you guys having a hard time to drop four or five names. Without investment and patience nothing’s gonna change. Observe Iran, their work with the youth started years ago. Those who think Velasco is the only responsible for their good results are terribly wrong. Anyway, as long as Barto Cureque hits in the third meter things are fine for some. Ignorance is bliss!
hanes233EE 987 5
10 years ago
+2
@HCLT: I know that Spiridonov is really good, but I don't want to say anything good about him becouse his behaviour, if I could choose between Spiridonov and Skrimov, I would have no doubts abot who will I pick in my team, Skrimov becouse Spiridonov is an asshole who destroys sportsmanship and pisses on it, Im shure some people will agree with me. But still Kubiak is amazing and he would be in my top 3 of most complete players, he just needs to prove himself in the national team, like N'Gapeth, damn great player, his attack is better than most guys that are over 2 meters tall. I made up my mind, N'Gapeth is better, but not by much, he has proven himself in a stronger league and in NT too.
MichalPL 493 10
10 years ago
+3
@HCLT: Good examples. Funny cause I've been thinking about Serbia recently, how efficient their system must be to produce so many talented players regularly in such a small country as you highlighted. I would immediately trade it for our PlusLiga which is a highly overrated commercial product. Of course we might presume Serbia wouldn't give up building a better native league just like that if they had proper financial means, but they have definitely chosen a better investment- truly long-term thinking. Volleyball structures in the countries you mentioned are not an unknown but what about Cuba? There's no way it's just natural predispositions that let them release so many young talents, not at that level.
HCLTBR 331 6
10 years ago
+4
@Michal: “PlusLiga is a highly overrated commercial product”. Maybe for Polacos. Believe me, here in Brazil or in Italy, two countries where vball is popular, just to mention two examples, nobody gives a damn about PlusLiga. I watch the Italian and the Champions League live on TV, but the sports news never bother to even mention PlusLiga. It’s simply hilarious when I see some Polaco kid trying to compare PlusLiga to the strong leagues. Take Fonteles as an example. He’s a good player, no doubt about it, but he played for several years in Italy and in Brazil, without ever standing out. Not that he lacks talent, but because there were too many guys better than him. When he played for Zaksa he was one of the best players (if not the best) of the season in Poland. It made me laugh. Let’s think about the leagues as products. Tell me, which real star plays in Poland? Nobody. Anyway, if those in the backstage targeted the local audience, they’re very successful. The problem, like we said, it’s making the sport a cash cow. The Serbs are certainly very smart when it comes to their vball structure. Japan, with all their money, stopped being competitive 30 years ago, and we can’t say it’s because they have short players – Zorzi wrote about this false Japanese alibi during the World Grand Champions Cup, it’s worth reading. You mentioned Cuba. Okay, they absurdly insist on a communist regime and it shapes the sports over there. Every sport is a propaganda vehicle and they take athletes at such a tender age to serve the nation. It doesn’t matter if the economy is falling apart, the effective propaganda must go on. It was okay as long as the Soviets were sending money. After the collapse of the USSR, the Cuban budget shrank, but obviously they had the talents that were already being polished. However, in recent years, after two decades of short budgets, you can clearly see vball (and other sports) going downhill in the Island. The talents are escaping and the government that is slowly opening the economy was forced to review their sport policies and admit the “foreigners” back. Why they still have so many talents? Because in every part of the country sports are given a lot of attention, it’s part of their culture. It’s probably one of the few good things about that collapsed regime. From now on we’ll see strong Cuban teams again, but this time using talents that are polished abroad. Fair enough. Sometimes, Michal, a certain sport doesn’t have to be popular in the country to get good results. I’ll take handball as an example. It’s an amateur sport here, nobody cares about it. Ten years ago our girls finished 20th in the world championships. As the federation thought they had potential, they developed a plan, attracted some sponsors and sent some athletes to the best leagues – after all, it’s an amateur sport here. Two weeks ago the girls won the worlds in Serbia – against the home team, playing in the same packed arena where we saw the “Belgrade Battle” in the 2009 WL final. Why our girls succeeded? Planning, investment and patience, mainly. From the 20th place to the top in 10 years is quite impressive. This sport will certainly become more popular here. I’m sure there are lots of boys and girls willing to play vball in Poland, but is PZPS giving attention to them? The guy who was the main responsible for the vball boom in Brazil is Carlos Arthur Nuzman – now he’s the president of our Olympic Committee, and was the guy behind the plan who made Rio win the Olympic bid. He started at CBV (the acronym in Portuguese for Brazilian Volleyball Confederation) in 1975, when vball was ignored here. First thing he did was getting rid of those who were there for a long time doing nothing for the sport, but neglecting the talents and any kind of promotion. Six years later, with a junior squad mostly, he saw our men’s team get the bronze in the adult World Cup in Japan. When he started the acronym CBV was the reason for a common joke among vball athletes. They used to say that CBV meant “coma, beba e viaje” (eat, drink and travel, in Portuguese). He changed that very quickly. The sad part when people like you or Zyta tell what PZPS does is that not only affects vball in Poland, but globally. Vball struggles to become more popular in several places. If it fails in a place where it’s popular, it’ll obviously have an effect in other places. Just imagine if football started to decrease its popularity in places like Brazil, Argentina, Italy or Germany. It’d be a disaster for that sport. Vball has been attracting a good audience, but it’s practically unknown in some places. Hopefully things will change for the better in Polaco vball.

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