Incredible set by Paweł Zagumny

0:20 omg this is setter this ball was very baad

incredible save LOL

Juantorena very suprised :)nice action

the old fox :) nice save

Impressive precision

Save a great

i remember our discusinon about setters ( Zagumny too :p) many months ago,so i dont wnat to share it again, about Zygadlo, he is was wasted in trento, from perspective players he bacame craftsman, he get chance this year to lead team which is based on defence and quite fast play, he adaptaed but he wont be grat setter, ever

You make great jokes Henrique, like: Be careful when you talk about Trentino or their fans can get really angry:D

I agree with Henrique, Garcia will feel like wasting his time in Trentino, their style is different but yet effective, although with him Trentino will be better team BTW, I am also fan of Lebl

Pesazi, did you see USSR playing 50 years ago? Just kidding! lol Obviously if Ricardo played for Trentino they’d be faster, but to execute only that game hiring Ricardo would be a waste. It’d be like buying a Porsche to drive only on a low-speed road. Be careful when you talk about Trentino or their fans can get really angry. ;-) As for Zygadlo, you’re damn right! Being on Trentino roster doesn’t make him a great setter. Even the best teams have their share of common players. Maybe it’s too early to evaluate Tichacek at PlusLiga. I like him a lot. The Czech team is good, maybe they need more experience, you know, get to play more matches against the big guys. Too bad Lebl belonged to another generation, he was one of my favourite middle players. Can you imagine a team with Tichacek, Stokr and Lebl. Very competitive, eh! NXT, no worries. :-)

pesazi, this all post was irony, maybe expect that I don’t see genius of Bruno and last part:) I really don’t like Zygadlo’s style of playing and think even if we assume that he has some potential, he wasted it in Trento. And this sentence about Stoychev – it wasn’t me who first started joking;-)

Ok Henrique - I didn't notice irony there ^^ Not so easy while I can't hear your voice and see your face. For me at least :P

I've got to say, I agree almost totally with you, Pesazi. Both when it comes to Trentino's play and your opinion that being in Trento doesn't automatically make a player great. When it comes to Guma, I think he used to be better 3-4 years ago, don't know if it qualifies for wasting one's potential, but I clearly see that he played worse for example during the last WCH (which were a total disaster for us, by the way). I can't really say anything about his play in the NT this year, because he only joined for the World Cup and didn't have many chances to play, because Anastasi trusted Zygadlo, who played the whole NT season. I hope Guma can be back to his very good play in the next NT season, because he really makes a difference when it comes to our NT. In his club he plays well, I think, at least I haven't seen him playing bad. That's all I have to say about him, actually :) When it comes to Tichacek - so far I am really disappointed in his play in Rzeszow. Don't either know what happened to him. I understand that it is a new club, new league and new teammates and he needs time, but still, he should already play a little bit better. He played with Grozer or Gontariu before, so he knows those players and I cannot say that his sets to either one of them have blown me away. I hope he can improve pretty quickly because Resovia needs him, they need a good setter and in good form.

Okay, obviously I exaggerated a bit talking over Trentos slow game. It`s not as bad as the USSR 50 years ago... What I wanted to explain, is that Trento doesn't need a Ricardo-like setter, because they dont play the superfunky, supersonic speed volleyball. And that means Zygadlo is not automatically a great setter, just for playing in Trento. @NightFox: Trento's pipe is pretty standart, for sure not the fastest version. The sets to the outside position are average, I would say slower than the CL average.(And yes, I've seen most games they played in the past years, at least in the CL) @Henrique: Not sure if Zagumny wasted his potential, you might be right about that. Still I think he was one of the best setters some years ago. And he was one of the reasons for the polish volleyball boom. Gotta give him credit for that. BTW, you mentioned Tichacek. I saw him a lot in Friedrichshafen, and back then, I would share your oppinion that he could be a great setter in the next years. But his last performances in Rzeszow made me wonder what happened to his game. He played bad and was substituted early. Very strange.

Okay, calm down. lol Simon is back. Now you have a different reason to watch vball than Trentino. ;-) Let's get back to Guma.

Yes I'm and I watch almost every match of Trentino if I can. That's way I can argue about that.

Pesazi, I think Guma was good once, had a lot of potential. I have some matches of him very young and I thought he could make a difference. Dunno if you remember Stelmach, such a predictable setter. Whenever Guma was on the court, you could see Poland playing better. Maybe the fact his game was never effective against Brazil makes me see him just as an ordinary setter. I won’t make comparisons with some names, I guess you know who I’m thinking about. Sure, there are lots better than him out there. He could have been great, but he got lost at some point, dunno how or when. I won’t waste my time making comments about Zygadlo, but I think Trentino doesn’t play only the way you described. NightFox, I didn’t know you’re a Trentino freak. I’m afraid of you. ;-)

Trento plays fast balls quite often, eaven to the wing-spikers.

pesazi - you didn't wrote your homework man ;). You're claiming that Trentino can't play fast balls but you probebly don't watch so often Trentino. For example when Juantorena is in zone 2 - the ball to him is super short ... like a center, of course if there is a nice reception. The pipes of Trentino are really fast too. And why do they have to speed up the game into the outsiders if they can overpower every block in the world. Speed up the ball is unnecessary risk , because they don't have to speed the game. And once again I'm telling you when you don't understand something - don't write about it (that's how you'll look smarter in our eyes).

@Overlook: Do you really think that Zygadlo should be more recognised for beeing chosen by Stoychev? Okay, Trento is quite a good team, but only because of their outside hitters, which can overpower most teams. The setter of the team has only little to none impact to their success. All he has to do is sending high balls to the outside hitters. None of them can handle fast sets. Did you realize that Trento was still successfull when Grbic left and Rafael came? Grbic was a dizillion times better, but his skills weren't needed. @Henrique: I don't think Zagumny is mediocre. He is definitly a good setter and leader, but there are better ones out there. Edith: How in the world do I quote??

yes, you're right We join hehe! :) haha

Yes we all have favourites and Simon is the best. All satisfied ?

oh come on, guys ! :) Everyone has their favorite players, and can have a different opinion :)

Henrique, I can understand that you think Zagumny is "just an ordinary setter" (I think the same about Bruno). But how can you say this unpleasant words about Zygadlo? First of all, he has played in the best league and in the best club at the whole world for many seasons. Secondly, this year was his first as main setter in NT and look at the results (I know that we had some lucky at WL and ECH, but second place at WC is undeniable success). Moreover Stoychev chose him. So maybe a little more respect to him? And one more thing, your comments’re always too long. Please shortens them or marks when you write only about volleyball and where’re parts with this all rubbish.

Ok master Yoda.

Nagor, you watch vball all day long and still don’t have a clue... Why would they care about Zagumny? It’s about relevance, not about knowing his name. BTW, recently, during the World Cup, on another webforum, some guy posted a nice pic of the Egyptian players celebrating their victory over China. I lot of people sent them good luck wishes, until a bunch of Poles appeared to ruin the topic saying Poland was the best (where? lol), blah blah blah... That’s how most Polaco fans behave on webforums. Look at your behaviour: Self-absorbed, very limited knowledge, biased, and aggressive. Thank God the Polish fans I’ve met are nicer than you. But what can I say of a guy who thinks vball is about third meter spikes? ;-)

Just to prove what I’m saying, I made several good remarks on the Polish team. A simple criticism on a player made you cry. Grow up!



C’mon man, tell us what teams made offers to Zagumny... I’d never take such a lame player as a client, I’m very selective. He wanted desperately to join Zenit Kazan this season, but they didn’t want him even as a sub.



That’s very nice of you, Raylight. You’re such a kind person.



Zyta, if I call Radostin Stoychev he’ll hurt you even more. lol



NXT, I was just being ironic, in case you didn’t notice. ;-)



Let’s see what happens when a foreigner criticize him, my friend. I know what I’m talking about. ;-)



It seems that just like Nagor you didn’t get the joke. Check the beginning of this message, please.



Glad you can deal with different opinions and you’re not like those Polaco fans who screwed that topic about Egypt aforementioned. I guess, using your logic, Bari is a great libero because he received best libero award last ECh, right? Well, I don’t think so. If you wanna discuss, we can talk about how stats are used for libero and setter. Do you know Paolo Tofoli? He got several awards, but was never considered a great setter. I can point you some Brazilians that got awards and we don’t like them, either.



Well, I never said I got inside info from anywhere. In case you don’t know that info on Zagumny’s wish to play for Zenit was on some websites. Maybe you should read a little more – some Polish websites informed that. He was the fourth option, but was never invited.



NightFox, I command you to stop liking Zagumny NOW! lol

I'm a fan of him and I like his character (like Grbic) stone cold face and a lot of imagination.

I just think that getting so emotional about the fact that someone has a different opinion about a player than I do is a little bit silly. I don't agree that whatever Polish setter we are talking about, will get praised here just because he is Polish. Look at the biased opinions expressed by the Poles here about Zygadlo - many think that he is mediocre and last I checked he didn't change his nationality and is still Polish ;P So that argument doesn't hold, my friend ;P About knowing the setters - is it so weird that I know Raphael? He plays in Trento, the club that has won everything in the last few years. I know other Brazilian setters, not because they're from Brazil, but because they play in the leagues, matches from which I watch. I try to see as many games as I can and since I have a good memory, I remember the names. Weird, huh? :P A true volleyball fan - a fan of sport and not only of their own team - knows players from countries other than their own :) I actually like Zagumny. I don't think that he is or was the best in the world but I do think that he is very good and a great player. I doubt that so many awards for him would have been given out of someone's whim :) But, as I said, my opinion, you've got the right to have yours and I'm obviously not gonna make a fuss about it. :P I agree with you, Drzyzga has potential, but he's still got a loooot to learn. And, at the end, I wanted to say that it is hard to believe some of your "backstage" information because you claim to have it from almost every country/league/club - you would have to be God Almighty to make that possible :P But still, it's very interesting to read what you write and discussing with you is also a pleasure (though I do think that you might try being a little bit more polite sometimes - expressing your contempt for someone by changing their name on purpose or by writing mock articles/dialogues like you did in the topic about Kaziyski is a sign of poor manners and a little bit childish, in fact :) Makes me wonder, how old you are :P ). P.S. Funny, that comment about saku and Roninho :P

Lol Henrique... Never siad you must like Guma. Never siad I like him. Just asked why you don't like him. Still you see what you actually want to see in other's post - christ ^^

this part hurts me.


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hahah Guma is the best

Nagor, I don't think he compares them, the point is whomever is Polish setter will be praised /I don't agree, Zygadlo has less praise than Zagumny/ About Zhekov, today played Kampa and 0. Three setters, same result. I won't enter an argument about Zhekov as a setter, I don't understand enough to know exactly his place, I know he is not Garcia or Ball, but I love him, because he gives all on the field, runs for every ball, serves to change the match, blocks in important moments, and he has to set most of the time from the public. I respect that heart and that's why he is my favorite player. I told him in Arena Sofia tournament that - it was very funny situation, only me and a guy in a chair inside of a bunch of screaming teenagers girls, attacking him for autographs

So, they dont know so much about volleyball or they are intrested in brazil volleyball only. Every fan of volleyball knows setters from ~15 first NTs in FIVB ranking.


Yeah, so what is top club in your mind? He had several offers from russian clubs. Not from bad teams. But I know that you know better, you are Zagumnys manager ?


And finally, if you compare Zagumny and Zhekov... You should watch Zhekov in Copra...

NXT, I didn’t know I should like Pawel Zagoofy, ops, Zagumny. He’s just an ordinary setter. You like him because he’s Polish. If Tichacek or Depesteele were Poles, just to mention two setters better than Zagumny, you’d be saying they’re fantastic. If that mediocre Zhekov were Polish, you’d be praising him. I wouldn’t be surprised to hear people like you saying Zygadlo is a very good setter – a player so predictable and incapable of being an effective big-league starter. Don’t be mad. Instead, try to understand this beautiful sport. If you had a little comprehension, you’d see how ordinary Zagoofy, ops, Zagumny is. Better days will come... Fabian Drzyzga has a lot of potential. MAYBE he’ll become a great setter. Poor Nagor, still suffering... Oh, I’m a big Bruno fan. lol Aelinn, now you know why I always say girls rock. While these boys get angry for nothing, you realized what’s going on. I couldn’t care less about Zagumny. I’m not doing this to mock these kids, I really think Zagumny is nothing special. See how interesting, you Polaco fans know the names of some Brazilian setters that don’t even play for our NT. Ask some Brazilian fan about the name of a Polish setter and they’ll say, “who cares?”. Maybe you don’t know or don’t remember, but every time Bernardinho goes to Poland some reporters ask him which Polish players could be on our team – this repetitive thing became a joke here (can tell you later). They always ask about Zagumny, and guess what’s the answer? Poor Zagumny never had an offer from a top club during his long career. His agent wanted him to play for Zenit Kazan this season, but they took Vermiglio instead – nooooo, he lost to Vermiglio! One more thing: You’re right, Aelinn, these guys need to chill out a bit. Why they can’t be like Saku and Roninho? Whenever I tell them to “jump”, Saku and Roninho just say, “your wish is my command, master”. ;-)

Henrique is doing it on purpose to get you all angry and jumping at him and I'm pretty sure, that when you do that, he is sitting back in his chair and having a good laugh, because he got what he wanted:P And even if he doesn't like him or thinks that Zagumny is ordinary, so what? It's his right:P Exactly like I don't like Rezende or Raphael very much - I also have a right to think like that and no one's gonna change that :) Chill out, people, chill out :) P.S. Henrique, I must say you're quite an individual. Like stirring things up? :)

NXT, yeah, it is true, because Guma is better than rezende etc. You didn't know :D ?

Huh no idea why but you cleary don't like Guma for some reason Henrique ^^

NightFox, you’re getting worse every day. Congrats! lol

Every time I see someone begging for pluses or complaining about minuses, all I can think is, “what a loser”.

As for the play, lucky move! I really enjoy seeing ordinary players like Pawel Zagumny doing something different. It shows sport can be rewarding for everyone. ;-)

Cheers,
Henrique

P.S.: Although this “gimme pluses” is pretty gay, the gayest one I saw here still is that comment from a guy who wrote, “NightFox, I can’t live without your movies”. Seriously, can you imagine someone writing that without being a total fag?

That’s what I am talking about this who you must play or don’t

PLUS if you are not a gay !

Welcome to the Social Network, Harleym. Orwell wrote it down 63 years ago

First of all: Did somebody just write "plus if you agree", damn this is turning into one of those sites like youtube where everybody wants to get plusses (sad). Second: That set is so great, especially since now they broke Juantorena's serve, which is SO important.

Imagine that rouzier hit that set on the floor ;)

he did great job. also whole team during this match played well!! They had even chance to end this 3:0 ;)

BEST SETTER IN THE WORLD!!! PLUS IF YOU AGREE!!!!!

the best effort I ve ever seen ofcourse with Kubiaks :)

My favourite...after Kubiak ;)

very lucky

Wonderful play, it really suprised me;)

wow perfect