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Brakuje mi tu aby jednego zawodnika - Zbyszek Bartman :D

Ok, I will try, it should be easier, because I love Cameroon, Cameroon forever!

"Zyta, it will take more than some gifts to Poland beat Cameroon. Why don't you accept they are better? " It's too painful to live with it!

Możdzonek -one words - woodman, when he twisted his ankle in the begining of year I said "oohh no, wood is crashed now" yes for now i think Kadziewicz is the best middle but I have hope on one polish middle Łukasz Wisniewski who plays in Chestowchowa, i like his style and his on top in block statistics

"I sent an email to the Venezuelan federation about those seven blocks by that aberration from the Polish team, and they replied that the Venezuelan hitters thought it was Mozdzonek birthday. That tall uncoordinated thing is still an aberration. ;-)" Now I understand everything, that explain his record of blocks! BTW very nice gift from Venezuelan hitters, I'm impressed. Maybe we will try to do it when next time Cameroon will show us our place on volleyball world map?

raylight accidents sometimes happen, he is not coordinated for football, find here on website movie about Winiarski and his dig or whatever by leg, while he played in Trento, you will see difference :) Henrique Mozdzonek had 7 blocks in match against Venezuela during WL 2009, probably his record, so don't offend Michal about no respect for Venezuela :-P I didn't know Anderson was goalkeeper, cool :) But Brazilians are good in football as well, they start warming up from football, am I right?

Henrique, see in laola1.tv the tiebreak of Skra - Kazan :)

I remember him from previous WL being best blocker. And he is very well coordinated for football :D Zyta, Mozdzonek made save with leg against Zenit, it was good move btw

raylight I can't believe you think Możdżonek reaches high and can be compared to Dima even in this simple physical aspect. That's a myth spread by our comentators, just take a look at his spikes, he's 211cm tall and you can rarely see his head over the net. I'm talking about that, because his height for someone who doesn't watch his game carefully could be a big privilege- nothing more wrong. It's commonly said that tall players lack coordination. Point me at least one, that moves nearly as funny as Możdżonek. Ever played "Heroes might and magic"? Know how "Ent" moves? Summing up he has no special reach, no spike, no defence, no block (seen him trying to read Ball, Esko and other setters who play various volleyball?) When I'm a bit down or in a bad mood I always try to imagine him playing against Ricardo. He can be a star... against team Venezuela ; )

"P.S. Mozdzonek is the one who can make standing blocks for Poland and he is the best football player in your team " Who told you that second part? :P The best football player in our team is actually Winiarski, if he wouldn't be a volleyball player, he would be football player :) But Mozdzonek has height and that's all, standing blocks are very rare in his game, so we can't use it as an advantage. For me he is just piece of wood, his coordination is terrible, compare him to Volkov - same height and probably same age and watch their coordination on court.

I too think that Zagumny is among the better ones because of his choices and height, I just object to the "huge" difference between him and Zhekov. Differences are not so big as they seem on the top, only Ball or Ricardo could seem to be far ahead About Yosifov and Nikolov they are good, I hope that the season in Italy A1 will improve them more. We can add Todorov, who is the best on blocking in Europe as blocks per set and consistency (not comparing the number of softened attacks for counterattack or the blocking of pipe and first tempo attacks). I really hope for him to go in Italy, Poland or Russia and develope his attack, because 55% average in CL and CEV Cup is very low for someone who is hitting over the block on regular basis P.S. Mozdzonek is the one who can make standing blocks for Poland and he is the best football player in your team :D Really think that he helps especially vs giant towers like Musergski

"I’ll surely watch him again." So will I. To be honest I never liked him as a person, he seemed rude to me, so I once asked myself why he has to be in the national team, and tried to explain it objectivelly. When I watched his game carefully I got the answer. I can understand that for you, a person who got used to Ricardo setting he might be an ordinary setter, or just good, but if you compare him to the big guys the precipice isn't that big, at least if we're talking about making choices and frequency of cheating blockers. What I could fully agree on is that he's nothat precise as the 2 mentioned, especially the American, who has technically the most brilliant set in the world. I think that's the aspect that makes Ball and Grbic better than Pawel. And here I could be back to what I said about his introducion in the modern style. But of course it's not an explaination at all- that's the same situation like saying it's not Wlazly's fault he can't spike efficient with no approach, cause he's not as athletic as for example Grozer or Omrcen so can't generate so much power in a second. raylight you must be joking about the middles. How can you compare Możdżonek to Yosifov for example? That's an insult to your countryman. I'm not saying this to defend Zagumny, but the Bulgarian pair is what we need in our NT. Poland has probably the most anemic middles in the world, when it comes to spiking I would shit my pants as a setter after every ball sent to them. Pliński is a good blocker, slower than before but he's still acceptable, as I said before there's no sense to consider Możdżonek as a player at all. Kadziewicz was a kind of salvation to us, he's not a floor destroyer, but enough dynamic to be found useful. Apart from spiking Bulgaria was the best blocking Team in WL, with Yosifov on the top. Setter criterion is unclear, but this one says quite much.

Michal, in Polish NT there are middle spikers which are more reliable, so this helps him to cheat the block Henrique, no ordinary setter can become the best setter in WL with big difference no matter how unrelated the statistics may be. I remember in 2009 ECH when we got the bronze, we made twice or triple more blocks than other teams made to us and it was like that in every single game. Isn't there some conclusion, hm? Yes, Blange is one of the greatest and unrewarded, but If we could watch the stats I am sure that we would find him near the top in every tournament, so it does not cheat so much. And he has 206cm height which is very helpful, since the setter is the weak place on the block usually

First of all Raul Lozano changed a lot, he foisted Zagumny to play faster. It's commonly known he always endeavours to the Brazilian game system and finds it the only way to be at the top today. Of course guys like Grbic and Ball play on a high level for over a dozen years, Zagumny was introduced in the modern system quite late. The main role of the setter is cheating the block, and as you said there's no criterion based on stats that can objectively point if a setter is good or not. Just from my observation I can say Zagumny cheats the block quite frequently, at least when the reception is somewhere arround 3rd meter. He has a nice shift, maybe occurs more technical mistakes than in case of Ball and Grbic, but still it can be considered good. He doesn't play simple in transition, at least a Russian "candle" is not what you can see in his repertory. I would say it's all about choices, that's hard to say a one thing and end the discussion, as setter is dependant on all the players. I will give you a fresh example- WL2009 Finals. Someone who would turn his TV on could say Grbic's the most limited player ever, and would get bored of houndreds of sets to Milijkovic and ocassional first tempo. But these were the best choices he could make, because the left sides couldn't handle with single block, or even the net. But everybody knows Grbic can play variously, depending on the situation, just take a look at him in Cuneo, where he has no gap, and can spread his wings wide. Same thing about Pawel in WCH2006 or EC2009. Yes we had an easy group and a lot of luck, but when all the spikers appeared there in a good shape there you could see him playing variously, because he felt every zone had been able to bring points. I just think Zagumny is able to know what's good for his team, and what can lead to the victory. You'll say: "Yea, I can deduce that from the latest results". But what you have to know is the fact our spikers are very, very unstable, and basically none of them can keep a high level even for a few months. In every major competition we obtained a nice result Zagumny kept he same level of distribution. "Guma" got some awards you don't get serious, I can understand that, because the formula is unclear. So the question is "if the spikers made Zagumny get this prizes?" To be honest I'm closer to believe Zagumny is a top setter setter, than we have 3-4 world class spikers, at least what I could see so far.

I would like to see some arguments when we compare the setters, so we can measure the statements somehow. Why is Zagumny better than Zhekov? Is his setting more precise, or he has more technical options for setting or is his height? I can say for example, that Zhekov is very athletic - fast feet, high jump, powerful serve. The first two are making him ideal to catch ball from negative reception and to deliver set. He can pull it off from everywhere. Here is an example of argument.

"Ball and Grbic are two classes above Zagumny ... " Nightfox that's funny how you change your mind, cause just a few months ago you wrote: "Best setter in the world ! So clever ..", now your saying he's 2 classes below Ball and Grbic. If someone says Ball and Grbic are better, that's ok and nothing special, but do you know what "2 classes mean"? You just got a bit angry at some Poles and try to give them back twice as much. raylight Zhekov is better physically than Zagumny (who's kinda fragile). Andrey blocks very well and has a nice jump serve, same about Ball and Grbic, they all can even spike well if needed, but when it comes to setting Zagumny is much better than Zhekov.

better is more plausible than way better in this case but even this is debatable on a beer

I've watched Zagumny carefully, he is very good with the MB's but that doesn't make him "way better" Way better are Grbic, Ball and Ricardo, Grankin lately plays great

Saku, did you watch Bulgaria - Poland game in 2010 WCH? Watch it again!

Well, sometimes I am, but more in real life - all kids from my street are afraid of me :-P raylight actually Travica is nothing special, but I think he need more court time just like Petković.

now I know what Henrique feels, comparign Zhekov to Zagumny is like comparing Zagumny to Ricardo I agree that Ball is second setter, only he beat Brazil in two finals in one year, Grbic have one high level form for many yeras, third setter, Zagumny, when he is in good shape(he wasn't on WCH 2010) he is on Ball and Grbic level, he was the best setter at Olimpics 2008, European Champs 2009 and in 2006 in Japan he was second behind the ricardo, but award for best setter get Zagmuny because of statistics, so Zagumny, 4th setter in the world

The new motto of Zyta - Better mean, than average :D

Henrique has very high expectations of setters - if 90% of the sets are not against bare net under 0% positive reception, the setter is "nothing special" :D

C'mon Michal and Henrique, of course Kurek would play in first squad in HEAD clubs in Serie A. That's why Trento asked for him, who wouldn't put Kaziyski or Juantorena on the bench to make place for Kurek in first squad? That's so obvious. "Fabian Dzkaksjkdhsjajs" :-D Well I think you can call him just Fabian, that will be easy for you and we will know who you mean ;-) Grankin is pretty good, I like him as well. But what do you think about Dragan Travica - second setter of Italy, who will become first when Valerio gonna leave and same with Vlado Petkovic - second setter of Serbia [hard to say he is from new generation, he's 28 years old, but if you play in one team with Grbić... ;-)]?

Yes we watch volleyball and I'm sorry that I can have a different opinion than yours. There is no difference between Zagumny and Ball, except that Ball has better serve. Guma lead us to our greatest trophy's and is irreplacable in our NT. I wouldn't exchange Zagumny for Ball if I could cause I find them both great setters on the same level. Well I would for Ricardo :)

Yup, but did u noticed that all of these setters (the best) are from the old school and they will not play after 3 or 4 years . Then what ? I think one of the young new setters is Grankin - He's the best so far for me, from the new generation - what do u think about that ?

Ricardo, Ball and Grbic are the only setters that can make average spikers look like Matey Kazyiski Zhekov is on the level of the good guys - best setter WL 2006, second in World Cup 2007, top 5 in 2008 olympics and so on. 2010 was not his good year He is not wit the top 3, but he is among the better ones

Falasca!? Sorry, I can watch him in polish league and CL and he is much worst than Zagumny... In his first season in PLS, he was worst element of belchatow. Zhekov... He is very chimerical/chimeric (?) and he can play very good, but in next set he can be worst player on place.

As always it is a matter of subjective opinion so I will say that Ricardo, Ball, Zagumny are the best setters :)

Falasca, Zhekov and Zagumny are at one level

I dont agree with Nightfox. Maybe ball is a little betrer, but Grbić... ? I don't think so.

Ball and Grbic are two classes above Zagumny ...

true, i thnk too that Drzyzga is a future :) but I dont think grbic and Ball are at the same lavel of Ricardo, Ricardo is above Grbic, Ball, Zagumny, these 3 are at the same level for me

oohh you didn't laugh for Zagumny? is that mean you seterted respect his achievements? soryy joke :) Henrique, now seroius, I wany to thank you:) thanks to you I everyday practice my english, I know it isnt good but practice makes perfect :)

"Kurek a sub? for now he is only Polish player which can be in first squad in HEAD claubs in Serie" No way. There are a lot better players in teams like Cuneo, Trento, Macerata at his position. Also no way someone in those "weaker" clubs of Serie A would replace players like Kovacevic, Zlatanov, Vujevic etc. with Kurek.

Henrique, in Brazil everyone is better than Matey? yes?

Kurek a sub? for now he is only Polish player which can be in first squad in HEAD claubs in Serie A, if you saing taht yo didnt se him playing in a good shape, and Zagumny of course "Kaziyski is one of those guys that demand special attention from his opponents. For the fans it's great to watch him play. He's on a level only a few reached", Bernardo Rezende, Brazil head coach. ooo serious? or he was just nice for media? like in Poland?

SuperExpress and Fakt are unreliable, but I read about for example Skowronska's salary in May/June not in those two, but on vball websites, so if SE wrote about it and confirm it actually, I believe about the rest on the list. koles I don't know if Wlazly had any propositions from Italian or Russian clubs in last few seasons, I think he had maybe straight after 2006. Same with Zagumny, I don't know if he had any, so is hard to say if they don't want to go there or no one want them. There was some rumours about Sisley wanted Kurek, but instead of Ricardo ;-) The only one rumour which Bosek - his manager confirmed was about Trento. But why he is too young? Bartman and Kubiak played in Italy and that gave them a lot, remind season in Czestochowa when Bartman back from Verona, if I remember correct. Another thing, perhaps Winiarski has better manager than Wlazly, Bosek is pretty good as a manager.

Wlazly, Kurek don't want to leave our league (Kurek said he is too young for Serie A), Zagumy wanted to play here aswell, but financial problems in Olsztyn made him to go to Athens, Winiarski and Świderski returned home. I guess they feel comfortable in our league.

Henrique I think the problem is "SuperExpress" in common with "Fakt" are two most unreliable outlets in Poland, tenderly called "pavement press". But to me personally these sums sound quite fair.

I don't know exactly how much they make but I am pretty much certain that Wlazły earns more than Winiarski.

Zyta again from where did you get this info about Wlazly and Winiarski contract? The same unreliable source?

koles Skowronska's contract is known from the moment Fenerbahce asked her to play for them, she said she would be stupid if she would say "no" for such salary, it was the same with Zagumny who said money are not the most important, he choose Zaksa even if he will earn there less than in Resovia. If he is more valuable why he has less for that 20-30 000 zl than Winiarski? :)

"No one shares that info, only rumours of 1,2 mln PLN which is about 300 000 euro but nothing official." It was the only info I read about it and it was a journalist rumour.

Because Wlazły is more valuable player on the court than Winiarski, and beside he is the symbol of Skra, he helped build this team from the beggining.