Serbia - European Champion 2011!!!

@Chrison:

Considering so many people agree with me, I conclude that more people like that girl in the picture.
I demand somebody to make a mix of her just to please all the fans :D

@Harleym - only Nagor's comment about Theo was better than yours in this month ;) Congrats.

Serbia have won three European championships, one masked as Olympic games (Brazil lost to Argentina in the quarterfinal due to arrogance) and two normal AND IN ALL THREE THEY PASSED THROUGH RUSSIA AND ITALY

I always have the tendency to give Zver a +1, and im afraid that is just cause of his picture

oh then i apologize but i didn't catch it) it's just things like that go straight to sore spot, you know...)

Last edited by _k-is-for-kate_ on 17:18 20/09/2011.

Hey Boys and Girls it was a joke obvoiusly :)

it was just a joke, dude

proud is right, the thing with uniform happened in the game with serbians.

but anyway, this is nonsense, and if our volleyball federation president really says things like that, it's not just another shame, it's simply pathetic...

in semi-final he forgot a t-shirt ^^

someone - Igła był lepszy
dlaczego pan nie został najlepszym libero hehe

Not the bronze medal match - the semi-final with Serbia :)

Rosjanie przegrali, bo Muserskiy zapomniał majtek :)
http://sport.wp.p...04547,wiadomosc.html

Why did Russia lost the bronze medal match? Because Muserskiy forgot his briefs said president of Russian Volleyball Federation :)

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FIVB stats are really good...and they have statistic for every position

Agree! Probably FIVB stats aren't bad, because the winner was Tille and honestly I apreciated him a lot.

@Kk15
Yes, we can't judge liberos (and other awards) only from stats, but stats are very helpful if its are full and reliable. Without digs stats it is hard to judge liberos. Very helpful would be statistics of teams which specific libero play with. When they have good service it is much harder to recieve. Libero don't only recieve, but sometimes also pass the ball. I think that Igła passed perfectly almost everytime.

I didn't check, because I've never seen in CEV stats numbers for the digs, so I think it's impossible to use the stats to judge the liberos... And now in "player stat" I found only the exc% of reception, not the positive%, so...

BTW for the 4 liberos in final4:
name exc% rec eff in rec
Bari 40,9% 0,44
Ignaczak 39,1% 0,34
Sokolov 36,4% 0,3
Rosic 28,7% 0,29

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@Kk15
And what about Igła? Was there a better libero than him? I guess he was the best digger.

If they had took in account the qualification matches, it would have be impossible for Mikhailov being the best scorer^^

ok, it's better if I stop to poisoned my self =.=
I just feel terrible for Mastro and Sava :(

You're right Kk15, Savani should get the best spiker, I checked that too... he has both better attack % and effective % than Maxim...perhaps they took into account the older qualification matches?...In any case FIFB does the stats part better.

Last edited by Lordall on 15:00 19/09/2011.

Zaytsev 0,408 (counting only the ECh), Milijkovic 0,25, Muserky 0,14 O.o
As I said, Kurek has better stats. Of course I didn't check every one. May be Vadelaux or N'gapeth have even better stats.

@Anty-PZPS: of course it doesn't make any sense to count also the qualification round. Without that Savani has 0,443; Kurek without 1/8 has 0,518. So, Kurek deserve it. I've already said that before.


I also checked the stats for reception: I didn't find the positive%, only the exc%, and Kovacevic has 39.1%... And if you think that Zaystev - who isn't the best receiver ever - has 48,85% of perfect reception, you'll see that probably they could have found somone else (I'm not saying Zaystev)


And about the best spiker...

Sorry for Mikhailov, but Savani deserved it. in this 6 matches he had in the order: 64,3%, 66,7; 40; 66,7; 68,7; 73,9 (*__*), for an average of 63,33%.
Mikhailov: 50%, 48,6%, 64,7%, 64,7%, 56,7%, 51,6%, 67,7%, for an average of 55,7 (actually it's 56,55 if you do the maths... this is the CEV tot).

the more I check the stats, the more I'm disappointed...
For Igla too, of course.

Ok, maybe Kurek was better in serve than Savani, but there wasn't someone else who has been more efficient than Kurek?

CEV provides statistics for the whole European Championships (including qualifications, where also played the Italians)! So Savani scored 16 aces in 40 sets (average 0,400/set). However Kurek scored 9 aces in 22 sets (average 0,409/set)! See it! Kurek simply deserved.

I think they seat around the table and chose the players. That can be in general a good idea, because stats aren't all, but it has to be judge very fairly.
I also didn't understand who they considerated, only player in "final4"?
because at the WCh the were awards for player that didn't reach the semifinal, like Tille, or the spanish best scorer (I don't rememebr who he is)... I thought it was the same for the ECh, even if it's normal that without matches for 8th-5th places the stats are in favour of who played more matches (that means, the semifinalist).

@Kk15 you have 100% right mait. I've just seen Cyprus in statistics:O...they should have someone competent to count all stas during Championships...

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@kapitan_bomba,someone:
Savani 20 errors in these six matches. His stats include also the qualification to the ECh, but you can't count that!
And for Kurek I didn't count the 1/8, where he did 8 errors and no ace. So, 18 errors in 5 match, not six because he didn't play vs Slovakia. And with a match less it's normal that you have less serve attempts... And even with a match less he scored the same number of ace of Sava, and 2 errors less. So he deserved it. If you count 1/8 it's different.

And I still think that Mastro (for my point of view) was more impressive than Sava in serving, thinking about italian players.


I'm not in love with CEV stats too, because they count all togheter the preliminary torunament and the ECh, so it's quite hard to compare the players.

bah, I'm don't like how they gave the award. Also Bari deserved it less than Igla.

I don't think so you can find reliable stats;(...really bad work...
PS: http://www.cev.lu/Statistics.aspx

Ok :) So when can I get the official stats? And which one are reliable ?

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nope Savani has 35 errors, Kurek 28...official CEV stats
BTW: i don't like this stats. FIVB site is way better. Even Nowakowski has more block efficiency than Podrascanin

Savani had more serve attempts and less errors- it means, that his serve caused more damage on opponents.
If they would award players depending on statistics, tha statistic should be more detailed.

And I would like to add: I am not the one who think that Kurek is week- I think he's a world-class player, but he didn't deserve the award.

Last edited by Someone on 12:35 19/09/2011.

I'm checking the stats (now the database stop working=.=)

For the serve I checked Savani and Kurek. And Mastro, that for me was great in serve.

According to the stats Kurek deserved it. He has 0,518 ace/set (9 aces, 18 errors, 68 serves) (not counting the 1/8 - fortunally for him, because he did 8 errors an no ace xD - and considering he didn't play vs Slovakia in the pool). While Savani did 0,443 (9 aces, 20 errors, 76 serves. In the final 1 ace, 5 errors). Mastro had only 0,31 ace/set, but 8 aces, 17 errors, 99 (! he did a lot of long serve runs) serves.



For the block... Well, I love Podrascanin, he is in my "dream team" xD, but... Stats in the hands MASTRO should have taken that awards with not the shadow of a doubt. Even Stankovic deserved it more than Podrascanin.

Podrascanin: 13 blocks; 0.59 block/set. In the 1/4 2 blocks, in the 1/2 3 blocks, in the final 4 blocks.

Mastro: 27 blocks (more than the double!!!!!!!!!), 1,245 block/set. In the 1/4 4 blocks, in the 1/2 3 blocks, in the final 4 blocks.

That is totally unfair!



I'll check the rest when it will work again...

Yes, I was quite sorry for Italia, when Serbian fans were whistling on them, after Italian anthem and when they were standing on the podium. I thought that thinkgs like that happens only in football matches. To be honest I didnt like organization of this European Championship, some halls weren't prepare to volleyball matches, bad transmission in tv and I didnt like decoration. But in final was a lot of fans, and the most important polish players will bring brozne medals from Austria and Czech Republic, so good memories from this ECH

yes I realized that. What a shame.
But they were whistling us also during the anthem.

I have a great respect for serbian players, but their public sucks. I thought only in soccer, but I was sadly wrong.

And whistled also all Italy on the podium, not just Travica.
I can't imagine what they would have done if we won. Fortunally (or better, unfortunally xD) we will never know.

@Kk15 Serbian fans whistled in particular on Dragan Travica, because he is half-croatian. The same "event" took place at the European Championships in handball, in Austria and Switzerland. In the final match France-Croatia, croatian fans whistled on Nikola Karabatić, who is a Serb by origin.

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My congratulations to Serbia. They really deserve to be the Champions. Russian team was good, but serbians beeing not so technically gifted were stronger in mind, very confident and never gave up. Their fast attacks, great defense and unpredictable setting brought success. And Ivan of course was great, a real leader. Our commentators called him "an icebreaker". Serbian wing spikers were great too.
Italy was good, especially Mastrangelo and Zaytsev, Savani but they were not so strong in mind to take the win.
Anyway these mathes were great. Thans a lot for all the players!!!

Congratulations to Serbia!!!
Truly deserve it...
Congratulations to the MVP Milikovic, no doubt about that! and he is actually look like an Actor, HUGH JACKMAN...

To Mikhailov, I think he deserves those two awards. Congratz!

@someone: I totally agree.
I was so sorry not to see Savani awarded :(
I think that if we would have won, he would have may be deserved even the MVP (he played great in all the matches exept vs France, and imo he played better than Milikovic this evening... 71% in attack *.*, yesterday 68% *.*)
But at least I hoped for the best spiker award...

I was also sorry about Mastro. But Podrascanin is in my "dream team" too, so I can stand with him winning the best blocker award^^

About Bari, he did his best, and I'm very greateful about that, but he isn't the best...

Well, I would like to see the stats, I only found the one that include also the qualification to the ECh, and the fact that I found with Vermiglio in the list of the best setter told me that these stats are quite useless xD

I am totally disgusted about the some awards. Only few of them are fair, but most of them was like: oh... Italy has too less awards lets make Bari the best libero, oh... we forget about Poland lets make Kurek the best server. It's unfair for players who played very well and "left their heart" on the court. I think that the best was Savani (even I think that Milijkovic is the best spiker ever).

Serbia went from less to more, not the favorite, won with conviction, however, were humble and bet to sixth place, but now they are champions. well deserved by Serbia

Kk15,those serves will make his career :D
raylight,Mastro behaving badly?This can't be true...LOL I've heard he likes to "flip the bird" at fans of other teams after a win.What do you do - it's sport,emotions are raw and BIG,it's all part of the fun :)

I was surprise too about the libero...
And about Kurek, in fact later I was thinking but "what did Kurek won? Best spiker? no, it was Mikhailov... best scorer? no, it was Mikhailov, again... best reception was Kovacevic... oh, yes, best server!"

btw, speaking about serve... for sure I won't forget Terzic aces xD