Matey Kaziyski best spiker at CL Final 4

Ok,not as good as top world setters,but for receiver his set is very good...And that is very important for counter atacks after safed ball.

I didn't know he was a setter! Juantorena too... So, we can hope that Zaytsev will become a champions too!

yes and he was taken off from court many times and finally he changed position - that's how good setter he is :)

Matey can also set balls as good as setter,because in his early age he was playing on this position and that is very good skill for receiver. :)

Guys, i counted only basic rounds. It contains of 72 matches, and i counted 167 hours of watching :-DDD then i stopped this hour counting, but i think 200 hours sure :))) NightFox If I could live in Bulgary, this 200 hours of watching volleyball I could play on court. Slovakia is very poor country for volleyball. I think lazy people living here :) So Its my bad.But I am learning every every game of these matches. We have a great opportunity to improve our skills like our fathers or mothers in volleyball. They didnt have these possibilities like us. I wish to be born in POLAND - this country is created for Volleyball :) So bad, that i dont have POLSAT TV. Slovakia suxs :. Have a nice day guys (sorry about my english)

Last edited by Berny on 11:37 04/04/2011.

Berny you are lucky:)

Last edited by hanes233 on 19:01 03/04/2011.

Berny - I wish to be at your place ;(

Last edited by NightFox on 18:43 03/04/2011.

I want to thank GOD for giving me patience

Last edited by raylight on 18:15 03/04/2011.

I want to thanks GOD, that I saw every EVERY match in this champions league in my own eyes :D and then thanks Laola TV to watch this matches on PC :)

They both have the same chances to be the best OH of all time, it all depends on them and their teams, I only wish that Matey would get more rest and they both would be on their top form ever, that would be so awesome:)

I know i'm just saying that when you watch the match the opponent OH isn't gonna come block that often, especially not with Stokr in the front row on the other side. On the NT I think it would occur more often both because of the talent around him and the fact that he is the OH1 in that system, meaning Nikolov is in the back row most of the time he is in the front. Abrosimov is a middle, so him focusing on Kaziyski would only mean a double block.

It's kind of a shame that some players get so overworked between club and the NT. I couldnt imagine players such as Kaziyski, Miljovic and other players that are main options if they actually got more rest. Would certainly have much more energy.

In a way I almost want to see Juantorena and Kaziyski go to different teams sometime in the future. Not only for comparisons sake but also to see how they would fare without each other

Matey and Juantorena are only 26 and 25 years old and they had won CL three/two times...They can continue to play on that high level to 33-34 years old(even more),they can become the most title players on earth,if they keep going like that. :)
I wish him luck on Seria A1 playoffs,and I hope that if the final is Cuneo-Trento they will finaly beat them.

Last edited by spiridoncheto on 01:23 03/04/2011.

I know it is hard to believe, but Trento and the NT often trade unpredictability for credibility and face him against triple blocks after weak reception, because he has the best chances to overcome it. From the opponent the tactic is the block to point especially on him. Alekno said that to Abrosimov in the third or fourth set of the final. Abrosimov asked should they focus on both Juantorena and Kaziyski and Alekno said: No, only on Kaziyski. This can be interpreted in two diferent directions, but I think that the idea is to stop him, because he makes most of the hardest points

P.S. Juantorena right now is the motor of Trento, leaving for Kaziyski only the key role when it gets really hard. The Cuban rests during summer, he is more capable of serving at maxmum without tiring and he is highly motivated, so he gets his MVP's often and they are deserved. He fits the MVP definition because of his skill, Matey role and the tactics and everybody in Trento is satisfied because it brings titles, and most importantly - that way Kaziyski preserves powers to use his full potential when needed so he can play on high level in all important games for Trento and the NT

Last edited by raylight on 22:50 02/04/2011.

raylight I was talking more about the final 4 than just in general. I certainly believes he sees a ton of double blocks and not singles, but triples only rarely. I also think he could end up being one of the best OHs of all time. Definitely in the top 5 right now (only say top 5 since people may rank OHs by many different criteria, not trying to start an argument)

And I would say juantorena has a slightly faster arm/speed but matey gets higher. What is amazing is that they are both still fairly young and should get even better.

Juantorena uses technique and speed :)

Last edited by raylight on 19:54 02/04/2011.

raylight, I think that Matey has as fast arm as Juantorena, he just dosnt use that speed as much as Juantorena does, they have different teqnicues and tactics, Matey uses more brains and Juantorena uses speed;)

Thanks proud.

Kaziyski is not in a very good form becouse a lot of matches, Juantorena had the MVP this time, there are too much things to concider to tell which player is better(it all depends on the season), they will both be about equal while both play by my opinion, they both could become the best outside hitters of all time.

Last edited by hanes233 on 17:31 02/04/2011.

Outside hitter :)

raylight what do you mean with OH?

I give arguments, stone cold facts, just watch the game and count the spikes against zero or single block, double block and triple block, and you can see the pattern. This is the official tactics of Trento since 2007/2008. I can give you another example - last year when Visotto wasn't playing good as guests to Olympiacos in CL, Matey changed position to opposite and the whole time spiked over the block of the 210cm Juric and had 60% + efficiency. He and Juantorena lead the team to victory against Milijkovic team. Name me a better spiker, ONE better! (Huantorena is almost the same quality, faster hand, great technique, but his reach is 5-10 cm less than Matey's)
He has flaws, his serve was nowhere near his best this Final Four, his reception was not great, he got blocked, 6 times, which was function of his role and his underestimation of the Russian block. He is not the all-around player Giba is for example.
About the best OH in the world, he is on the way to become the best OH OF ALL TIME if he continues to play on that level several years more. He is not my favorite player. I admire him, but I am fen of Zhekov, although he in setters world is not what Kaziyski is in OH's world.

also does getting blocked not count as an error? cause I know he got blocked a time or two in the final 4.

raylight i get you like matey but you tend to go overboard sometimes. most against triple blocks? i doubt that. I'm not saying he doesn't deserve the award since the stats show he does, but he does have flaws and isn't the undisputed best outside in the world

Thats the way to say it raylight:)

Basil, what stat say about Matey on the final four is that he is THE BEST SPIKER - 27/43 kills WITH NOT ONE ERROR. Most of them were against triple blocks and he is the player with highest percent of breakpoints from attack. His reception is worse against Wegiel - 40%/27% against 57/%29% of Juantorena, but is equal with him on the final. Argue THAT ;)

http://www.cev.lu...me_summary&key=0

It is not right to rate him by only final 4, eaven if he wasnt the best in the final 4 you cant say if he is or is not the best spiker in Trentino, not by only 4 matches.

OK, guys! I agree that Matey is a great player, but the current discussion is concerned about final 4. In match with Wiegel he was not so valuable mostly because of his poor reception, that caused less effective attack. In match with Zenith he was blocked several times, so I doubt if he is the best spiker at the moment in Trento.

That is true spiridoncheto, he is not eaven near his top form:(he is one of the most active players in last 5 years as NightFox sayd

Basil,Osmany is in better form than Matey in the moment,but when Matey is on his top form he can win you a match alone...Most of the teams this year concentrate their play on them and for Stokr is much easy.In seria A1 Matey has 34 matches and 487 points,Osmany has 35 matches and 449 points,Stokr has 38 matches and 551 points.

Sorry heeellMooi, raylight you are right about Matey:)he is the game turner.

Basil, did you watch the cup final? Only Matey Kaziyski spiked consistently then. When the opponent reads the tactics and Osmany faces wall after wall, his efficiency drops more than it drops for Matey. And Matey is scoring most of the predictable balls, this is part of the tactics. Osmany is brilliant spiker, incredible server, better receiver, but overall is not better according to a lot of people from the volleyball coaching elite. He is doing more job on the field and therefore gets the MVP, but that's the point - Matey is for the key points, a game turner. This time, Huantorena was a game turner as well which can only make us more satisfied that this is a team, not a one man show :)

Last edited by raylight on 20:53 31/03/2011.

For me, Osmany Juantorena is more strong and skillful player, then Matey. Of course, he is a good jumper, strong hitter, but he is also quite predictable. His reception is poor too. In case if Osmany would not be the MVP, he definetetly should be the best spiker. But anyway, Kaziysky is great!

Last edited by Basil on 19:45 31/03/2011.

HeelMooi is joking :)

HeeelMooi cmon are you crazy!?Kaziyski is one of the worlds best hitters! Have you seen movies of him? If you look at the movies than you understand that one of his biggest pluses is power and smartness, he can easely fool the block and hit the ball almost anywhere were he wants it.It wasnt his best match, but he is not an amateur!Cmon 1 point??lol

Last edited by hanes233 on 15:06 31/03/2011.

I'm pretty sure Kazan blocked all of his attacks except for that one pipe attack.

Hah now I'm reading an interesting article about Kaziyski's younger age and that's what Alexander Popov(the coach of CSKA) said about him "You lead the whole match - then Kaziyski going to serve and you lose." :D

Yes, but you said "serious injury?" I thought that he broke something from that

http://volleyball...news.php?news=296034

Any details?

Exclusive: Matey seriously injured after Final 4

Im really happy that Matey got the best spiker award, he deserved it 100%and more:)